Catholic or Christian? | Fr. Patrick Briscoe & Fr. Joseph-Anthony Kress
March 20, 2025
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Unknown
This is Father Patrick Briscoe.
This is father, Joseph Anthony. Welcome to Godsplaining. Thanks to all who support us. If you enjoy the show, please consider making a monthly donation to us on Patreon. Be sure to like and subscribe to Godsplaining wherever you listen to your podcasts. Father Joseph Anthony, when did you become a Christian? My baptism.
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Unknown
When was that little, little nugget of a baby? Who baptized you? My father’s cousin. Oh. That’s interesting. Operation. And he to you? He was the one who baptized me. So I don’t remember the exact date of that. A nice little Catholic tradition is to celebrate your baptismal day. I don’t have that off the top of my head.
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Unknown
I don’t remember that, but. Yes. And I don’t remember my baptism because I love a little bit better. It’s hard being born on Christmas Eve. Did you wear a baptismal gown? I had clothes on. Yes. You don’t remember from, like, the picture? No, I remember I was dipped in white. Yeah. Do you, do you think, apart from that moment when you objectively became a Christian?
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Unknown
Do you think that there’s a moment where you kind of seized your faith for your own? Yeah. I mean, I went to Catholic school my entire life. Right. And so from kindergarten up to my priestly ordination, I’ve been in a Catholic school. So I think it was pretty early on when I recognized, like, oh, this Catholic thing is pretty cool.
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Unknown
And it’s part of my world. But I would say there was definitely when I was in high school was when I was like, okay, this is something that I really want to understand more of. And it started to kind of make sense of my experience of life and started helping me to understand the rest of my, my world.
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Unknown
And so when I was in high school, I kind of started putting the pieces together of like, oh my gosh, this Catholic faith, and gives me kind of an optic or worldview that is sensible when it’s reasonable and actually explains my own life and the world that I see around me. And it is credible. So I think it was when I was in high school that I started to kind of come to that realization and actually devote myself and a real way, not just to the practices, but to the entirety of the Catholic faith.
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Unknown
Yeah. My own thing is very similar, right? So I was baptized at Saint Martin of Tours Parish in Martinsville, Indiana, my mother’s family’s church, by Father Higgins, the regionally famous chaplain at Indiana University. Beloved, as it was said by everyone except the Archbishop. But, you know, it’s not the it’s just what they say. It’s what they say.
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Unknown
Yeah, it’s what they say. No, no bloodline religion, you know. Yeah. But, but, but a much loved priest, and, an important piece of my family. So. But, you know, same in high school. Was really kind of where I, where I began to have a richer understanding of our Catholic faith. And even in the periods of my life where I was kind of a doofus.
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Unknown
I didn’t, like, reject Christianity. I was going to Sunday mass, and you know, consider myself a Catholic, a believer. And, and I think that was always important. But I think that sometimes this question will kick up where people will say, because we’ve been using these words interchangeably, people were say that Catholics are not Christians. And so that’s what I want to dig into today.
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Unknown
So so first, your father, Joseph Anthony, what does it mean? You know, I said, when did you become a Christian? You said at your baptism.
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Unknown
What does it mean to be a Christian? You know what it means to be a Christian is, at the end of the day, to believe in Jesus Christ, right? Be a follower of Jesus.
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Unknown
And that’s what we kind of hone in on baptism, right? Because that’s where we become grafted into Jesus Christ. We become the adopted sons and daughters of God. And the colors of in the inheritance that was rightly Jesus’s inheritance. And so that that is a life of faith. And that is a life that begins at our baptism.
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Unknown
But I’ve experienced this in, in campus ministry. You know, sometimes there are many different, fellowships or religious organizations in a college setting, and sometimes they, you know, get together and have a little luncheon and talk about, you know, well, what’s the pulse of religious life within this universe? And there’ve been times where I’ve shown up and it’s been like, you know, Christian gathering people are like, oh, the Catholic is here.
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Unknown
This is I thought this is the gathering of Christian Ministries. And it’s like, yeah, correct. And it’s never like, you know, I’ve never experienced any kind of direct, you know, whatever. But sometimes it’s like, oh, well, the Christian ministries are going to do this. I don’t know what you Catholics want to do, as I don’t know what Christians in that sense.
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Unknown
And so sometimes you can experience that. It’s like, well, the Christians do one thing and the Catholics are this kind of weird pseudo. They kind of want to be kind of Christian, but they’re their own brand of that, and we don’t really know what to do with them in that sense. And so it’s interesting to see, that kind of interplay and that sense of like, well, what is the core of being Christian?
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Unknown
Right. I totally is. I mean, it’s simply if we can just say just being a, a disciple and a follower of Jesus Christ. Is the savior. That’s the core of what it means to be a Christian. True or false? Father Joseph Anthony, the first name for believers in Jesus, the first name for the followers of Jesus was Christian.
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Unknown
And he was followers of the way. Followers of the way. Excellent. Father Andrew, over our petrology professors. Very happy with you right now is he’s very happy with you now, as you look at the acts of the apostles. Right. And you see that the first followers of Jesus were in fact called followers of the way. And in early Christianity, you know, we have this beautiful understanding of Jesus offering us a way of life.
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Unknown
Dominicans like this very much. We kind of seize on this and we show that Saint Dominic offers us a way in which we can follow Jesus, his way of life. So it’s very, very kind of beautiful understanding of our spirituality, beautiful expression of how we live by saying, Saint Dominic’s Saint Dominic has given us a way of life, the same way that our Lord has given us a way of life.
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Unknown
So those first followers of Jesus being named followers of the way. But then they were called Christians. Where is the first city where they were called Christians? Corinth, right? Oh so close. Antioch. Antioch. The place where they were first called Christian. Yeah. There’s a little bit mean of me to throw you trivia questions called like this. You know, I was thinking about it beforehand and I was like, oh, you know, in the first place, which I, which I remember because we had some ministry in high school.
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Unknown
That was something at Antioch. Something. Yeah, yeah. Antioch retreats. Yeah. It’s like going back to the roots, to the first place. But the point is that, the point that I really want to make by saying this is that sometimes people try and, get at, get it, get it. The difference between Christian and Catholic by saying, well, they’ve all, you know, the Christian is the bigger tent thing.
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Unknown
And Catholic came along as a sort of development. And my point here is that Christian, that term Christ follower, is a development and that we were in fact called something else before they were called the Christians at Antioch. So, so really, if you want to get into it, we should be, you know, the bigger ten things should be the followers of the way.
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Unknown
So that’s going to seem a little bit like splitting hairs. But the point is that, the point is that these, these kind of names do, do, do evolve in the living history because Christianity is, is a historical thing. Jesus entered into history. And then there’s then there’s a kind of, rightful development that that comes along there anyway.
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Unknown
So so I think that’s an important point. And the other thing that I want to make about this, about this kind of development, okay, so if we say, you know, in Antioch, they’re first called Christians. So this is maybe ten, 20 years after Jesus’s death and resurrection. Right? So that puts us in the middle of the first century.
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Unknown
And people think like, well, the Catholic thing that didn’t come along until the Protestant Reformation, that is a big alpha also, you know, like if the if you had, like, the New York Times truth meter like that would be like, oh, lie. You know, you’d be like big time on the red one, you know, like, like, the first place, the first reference to the term Catholic is, one of saint, Uranus’s letters, a letter to Somalians.
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Unknown
You got to love that. Who who doesn’t, you know, love that reading again. Thank you, Father Andrew Hoffer, our petrology professor. For these kind of gems. So that letter is dated to around under it. Yeah. So we’re talking like 1071081 ten A.D.. That is an extremely early reference and the meaning of Catholic, which you learned at high school and CCD and everything else is, of course, universal.
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Unknown
So I think it’s kind of ironic because the name, the way that Uranus is using the term right in these, in these letters, is to show that this is the this is the big tent, you know, and he says the, the use of the word is actually he says where Christ is, there is the Catholic Church, where Christ where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church is an amazing, amazing, ancient reference to that understanding of the church.
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Unknown
So we have this foundational point here that we’re working out that Christianity is the thing that binds all believers in Jesus. But then we have this other term that gets kind of sorted out by people, to mean the Catholic Church, which becomes, over time a particular expression of Christianity. So you’ve said you’ve kind of dealt with this in practical ways in campus ministry, where you have all these different denominations of, of Christians.
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Unknown
Are there some Christians, you think, that don’t all what’s the way that I want to phrases that, that differ on maybe the more fundamental things like, does everyone who call themselves a Christian believe like the same basic core? And I think that’s that’s one of the big struggles, is that the Christian title or the Christian word does get thrown around a lot.
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Unknown
And, I mean, there are some people, I think at the core of being Christian is this belief that Jesus is God, right? That’s kind of the fundamental belief. But yet there’s still some people that claim to be Christians that actually don’t make that kind of claim to divinity. Of of Jesus Christ. You know, I think we can speak of, Mormons in that way.
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Unknown
You know, they they’re very clear that Jesus is a as a prophet. He’s a man, but he he has no divinity in it. And and that’s, that’s a really that’s a, that’s a fault line like that. You know, either you believe Jesus is God or you don’t. And so there are times where, you know, people can see Christ as, a great moral teacher and a prophetic voice, but they don’t believe that he is God at all.
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Unknown
And they can take some, maybe Christian elements of it or, kind of reverence for who Jesus is and thus take on a moniker of being Christian because they take on the teachings of Jesus while rejecting his divinity. And I think that’s a really kind of nuance, but it’s something to be very attentive to that just because there are quite a lot of Christian teachings that may be influential in my life, it does really demand, in a certain respect the assent or the surrender to saying, well, this man is God.
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Unknown
And just because I can take on the kind of teachings or the, the moral elements doesn’t mean I believe that he is God. There’s a, there’s a certain kind of doctrinal, affirmation that we have to make in order to take on that title and that moniker of being Christian. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that anyone, anyone who is going to call his or herself a Christian needs to assent to the Nicene Creed.
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Unknown
I think that, you know, which is, of course, promulgated by the Council of Nicaea in 325. And that creed which has the, you know, the 12 points of doctrine drawn out a little bit more from the Apostles Creed is where, those are the things that that every Christian should have to assent to that, that, that, that this is like the baseline.
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Unknown
That’s right. Now, of course, also, you know, I believe that the fullness of truth subsists in the Catholic Church and that and that this first Christian community, this community that the church fathers are writing about, you know, again, as early as, oh, I think I was saying Saint Irena’s earlier, I mean, to say Ignatius of Antioch, the you know, that this, this, this early Christian community is convertible with the Catholic Church, that the early Christians are Catholics and there’s not there’s not actually a difference there, and that the differences arrive later in history.
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Unknown
And so, when you look at these early letters like Saint Saint Ignatius of Antioch getting that right now, and some of these other thinkers, you see, oh, this is this is really a consistent thing all the way through. So that that’s why someone like Saint John Henry Newman can say, to learn the history is to cease to be Protestant.
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Unknown
It’s so he’s got a couple variations of that. And, and the point is that, the point is that the Catholic Church has, has kind of kept all these things, through the centuries, and that it’s not until later that we get different kind of like branches, you know, and I think the example of latter day Saints are very interesting because in order, in order to follow their kind of argument to revelation, you have to posit a kind of extended, an extended schism kind of extended forgetfulness of doctrine, you know, an extended apostasy and then say like, well, now we’ve recovered all of it.
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Unknown
So, so like, just say the Christian history goes on. Pause for like 1500 years if you follow, if you follow that line of argument. And, I just don’t believe that God would allow such a thing.
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Unknown
I believe that that Jesus who has come to save us, would continue to steward his life saving grace is, and that he would continue to protect them, which is why it doesn’t bother me to assert that those graces are mediated through the church.
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Unknown
But that’s a problem for some people. And I appreciate how you can say like, okay, well, what are the constitutive elements of belief? As a Christian? You’re like, oh, it’s very simple. It’s in the Nicene Creed. Like these are the beliefs of what it means to be a Christian. But for many Christians, they get back to that.
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Unknown
Right? Because many, Christians look at Scripture alone, right? This whole of Scripture argument. So they look into Scripture and they see Paul’s writings and they say that one who believes in Jesus is saved. And so they’re saying that the, one is saved by faith alone. So they’re not really concerned with the constituent elements. And how it’s expressed in a cradle statement.
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Unknown
They just see that, okay. Well, as long as I have that faith right about if I make some kind of expression or acknowledgment of Christ as the Savior, and I believe then, then, then I’m a Christian, right? And there’s this kind of emphasis on that. And, and there’s elements which, yes, that’s absolutely true, but that’s not exclusive in that way too, like that, that action that acceptance of recognizing Christ as the God-Man and the sole Redeemer of all of creation, right then, is expressed in in all these other ways and has consequences and has follow up in many respects.
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Unknown
Right. And we’re we’re lucky enough and, you know, we’re lucky enough to have this expressed through the generations and throughout the entirety of history in such a clarity for us in certain critical statements of that. But I think for many Christians, they’re like, well, I don’t need those statements. I don’t need that creed. That’s a much later development of other people.
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Unknown
I can just go straight to Scripture. And what does Scripture tell me? I have to believe in my heart and I do that. So I’m good,
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Unknown
right? I’m so glad you brought up scripture because
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Unknown
that’s such a contentious point. If
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Unknown
you begin to really think about it and investigate it, right, because
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Unknown
Scripture comes from something, right? Like so we don’t believe.
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Unknown
We don’t believe that the Bible was revealed the way that Muslims believe that the Quran was dictated to the Prophet Mohammed. We don’t believe exactly. We don’t believe that Scripture was revealed the way that latter day Saints believe that the New Testament of Jesus Christ was dictated to Joseph Smith. We believe that that Scripture comes from the heart, actually, of, of of the believing assembly, that it’s inspired by God, that God has assured that everything that’s necessary to know for our salvation should be, should be included in it.
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Unknown
But that but that it’s really the church that produces and confirms Scripture. It comes from something, right? Which is which is why this point you’re making about, about the sticky wicket, as it were, of so the Scripture is so important, because the Scripture comes from something that that is already there, which is the church
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Unknown
assistance that, you know, maybe a very concise example of the bigger picture at play is that if we’re going to just get real kind of pithy on it, you know, all Catholics are Christians.
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Unknown
Not all Christians are Catholics, right? Yeah, absolutely. No, I, I completely agree with that. Say this where people say that the Catholics actually are not Christians, right? When you start to dig into those arguments, it mostly boils down to this reality of, well, Christians believe Jesus directly as we find them in sacred Scripture, because that is the inspired.
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Unknown
That’s the Word of God directly, and we believe what we see there. But these Catholics, and they have so many other things right? Right. The Pope, they have purgatory. Yeah, we got a pope. They have the we the only ones are the Pope. And they say, oh, these Catholics, man, there’s all these other things that are in between the Christian and God himself.
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Unknown
And so there’s, there’s too much stuff in between. So let’s just jump over that and go straight to the to the source. Let’s get straight to the scriptures. And what does Scripture tell us. Right. And there’s this there’s not a reference for, you know, as as Newman, we’re talking about the development of doctrine for the ages, but also there’s not a reference for how Scripture itself, it came about.
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Unknown
It’s through right, unmediated inspiration. We’re not talking to by definition. And so the thing itself that is held in such high regard in reverence as sacred Scripture, you look at that, and that is those are the words of men that are inspired by God. It’s mediated. And so why shouldn’t the rest of it also continue to be? But there’s this kind of hesitancy, whether because we deal with human frailty, human weakness, and we see around us, you know, it’s it can get hazy at times and there’s questions arise and all this.
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Unknown
But as long as we there’s kind of a fear that the Lord actually works in mediated ways and secondary clauses. There’s just like this tense, how could that be? Let’s just go back to it. And it’s like, well, even that itself. Is mediated revelation. Right. I like that little argument. You know when you ask your when you ask your phone who founded what denomination of Christianity.
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Unknown
Right. And you, you know, you, you know, you learn the Martin Luther fad of the Lutherans and then you ask Siri, you say Siri, who’ve had in the Catholic Church, and Siri says, Jesus Christ, which is which is why Catholics believe, you know, we believe that we are the universal church. That’s literally what the word Catholic means.
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Unknown
It means universal. Which means we believe in this very I think this very interesting point, we believe that all baptized Christians, are part of this Christian family. So the Catholic Church recognizes the baptism of every Christian denomination. So if you are baptized according to the Trinitarian formulary, the formula rather, which is the formula that Jesus gives us in the gospel, go and baptize all nations in the name of the father, the son of the Holy Spirit, right?
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Unknown
If you are baptized under that formula, the church says you are. You are truly. You are truly a member of the Body of Christ in this way. And when you join the Catholic Church, you are not therefore rebaptized. No, which is a kind of which is a kind of claim that the church is making on what it means to be baptized.
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Unknown
So the church, for example, has a different protocol for recognizing the marriage of a Catholic to a Christian, meaning someone who is not Catholic but is truly baptized and someone who is Catholic married to a non baptized person. So there’s a there’s a kind of understanding that baptism in baptism really is a consecration really is a binding up in Christ and does does in fact have a kind of, that the church does, in fact, have a kind of claim on you at that point.
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Unknown
Yeah. And I find with, many other, you know, there there are kind of the mainline Protestants and then there’s not a nomination and all these other you we can continue to categorize things and whatever. But with non-Catholic Christians, such as call it non-Catholic Christians, there’s a little bit of a hesitancy for this kind of how is it, should we say works or actions.
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Unknown
I think that’s a part of the Catholic faith. Is that the, the actions are integrated to the, the belief. Right. So when we express the faith, when we have faith, when we believe in Jesus as God, it’s expressed. And that is expressed in different ways, right? That is expressed in words, that is expressed in actions, that is expressed in a manner of life.
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Unknown
Right. So there are ways that there’s a true belief that we have affects and changes words and actions that we do. And so we Catholics are very comfortable with that. So then we have devotional practices like praying to the saints and praying to the to Our Lady and praying those devotional things we of, you know, avail ourselves to the sacraments, that these are once again act words and actions that communicate realities where with a lot of non Catholic Christians, there’s this kind of hesitancy that what is primary, what is the most important thing is believe.
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Unknown
And because that is the most important thing, then actions have no place and they may be present. They may not be, but they don’t really matter. What really matters is belief. But how do you know if someone believes unless it’s expressed right, then you don’t know. And so then we just say, well that’s that’s between the individual and God.
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Unknown
So then what ends up happening is what you just mentioned, which is so beautiful that every baptism incorporates us into this great body of Christ, that we all share that well, in the the non-Catholic sense, then belief is actually very isolating because it’s just between me and God, right? Cut off from the rest of the world, right? No engagement with that because it’s just very narrow.
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Unknown
Just two way street, right where we say, listen, I want eight, six, ten ways deep. I want easy pathways, and we’re all moving in the same direction. And that may have for that reason, I think we, you know, we should, but we and and we should give no quarter, no surrender on this point. When people say, you know, what denomination are you?
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Unknown
We should say, well, I’m not a member of a denomination. You know, like like the ISM is nothing. It’s comprehensive. And that the term Catholic does not define something apart from Christian, but the term Catholic is an umbrella term equal to the term Christian. That’s the argument I would posit. And then it has as, you know, as, as you’re pointing out all these important, mediating elements that allow faith to be something so much more than just a kind of impersonal code that I’ve established for myself, the kind of personal interpretation, a kind of personally prescribed thing.
00:25:03:08 – 00:25:32:20
Unknown
I think that very narrow approach to that, if this is only based on my individual faith that is interior and has that one that’s trying to treat us like spirits trapped in these bodies, it doesn’t really, reference our humanity in a real sense, but that also puts a tremendous burden on my shoulders. You know, I have to be the the authoritative voice, the credible voice to read the entirety of Scripture now, to understand every nuance of it.
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Unknown
And I have to make this for myself. I become the authority for which every aspect of the Christian faith gets. It gets filtered. And now I get to kind of determine what is true, what is wrong. And then once again, that’s a that’s a very heavy burden. And that’s a very, narrow and almost isolating existence as a Christian.
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Unknown
So bringing all this to a conclusion, Father Joseph Anthony, when the question is put before us in, someone says, are you Christian or are you Catholic? What do you say? Excellent. No, I couldn’t agree more. You say, are you Christian? Yes. Are you Catholic? Yes. And for us, it’s really as simple as that. Because again, thanks to Saint Ignatius, which.
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Unknown
So sorry, I forget if I’m wrong earlier again, because Saint Ignatius, and the witness of the early church fathers, they’ve always understood these two things. To to be expressions of the one church which is bound up in Jesus Christ and in the following of him. Any last comments? I like it when I would recommend I do.
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Unknown
I do think Catholics, you know, should gently push on this point. You know, when we shouldn’t, we should resist. We should resist efforts and people that would say, well, you’re not Christian. You know, we should we should gently we should gently push back on that point. We should insist. No, we know we are Christians. But we shouldn’t also, at the same time, we shouldn’t, allow Catholicism to be one denomination among many, because it’s not.
00:27:06:09 – 00:27:29:06
Unknown
It’s the fullness of truth and, the fullness of truth as the Vatican Council teaches, subsists in the Catholic Church. And we should be confident about that. So we’re not one we’re not one thing among many, in the menu. We are the thing. We are the thing that that our Lord in fact, founded, remember? And this takes it back to the probably the, what we open with.
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Unknown
So we’ll close with something when we open with. I remember being a really young lad, probably in kindergarten, maybe even before kindergarten. And we were driving out of the parking lot of the church up the street, and there was, a Lutheran church, and there was a Presbyterian and a methodist church, like, all on the same block in my very, very small town in Ohio.
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Unknown
I remember asking about why the church was like, why don’t we go to this church and what are these like? So we go to one of those because I just wanted to check it out and they’re like, no, no, no, no, we’re Catholic. And there was this conversation. I was had. It’s like they all believe different things. And I remember being so young and I kind of had this recognition that like, as Catholics, we believe all the truths about Jesus.
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Unknown
But the process kind of believes some. This one believes some of that, this one believe other things. I was like, well, I want to believe all of it. And just an understanding of my kind of history and how, you know, the Protestants, you don’t have Protestants without Catholics. Like, what are they protesting against? You know, and but like, this is just as a very, very young kid, even almost before the age of reason with this, I said, well, I want to believe in the totality of I don’t want to just believe a piece of the pie.
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I want to believe whole. And, and I think that’s where we see the fullness, like you’re speaking of the fullness of the truth. It is not it’s not just one denomination among many. It’s just not one piece of the pie, among others. It’s the totality of it.
00:28:59:06 – 00:29:05:14
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00:29:05:16 – 00:29:29:00
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